Reading up on pricing

I am AMAZED how many of you think Stripe costs 2.9% and 0.30c

@ogwithsauce

back in baremetrics days, ARPU generally hung around $100. spent 7 years hanging in that space. feels wild to now be operating multiple businesses with ARPU in the $750-1000 range. highly recommended. 🙂

@Shpigford

Hi, Tomorrow we are re-opening the Pro $200 subscriptions to new subscribers, but together with it we are also changing how we calculate the usage for it. In effect, if you do the math, it will net out at half the dollar in API spend compared to the old Pro $200 plan. Now that it's said, let me explain why this is happening and why you will still get more work done than if you were on the Pro $200 subscription one month ago. (a) We didn't want to compromise in other ways and are committing to not reintroducing the 5h limit, so that you can fully use the weekly usage when you want. (b) On the subscription, we guarantee that over time you always get more work done and with an increasing level of quality. This means that you will continue to get more value per dollar spent as a result of models getting more efficient and us passing down the improvements in the form of API price reductions. (c) We don't want to put an incentive on ourselves to artificially inflate the API list prices to make it look like you are getting a lot (and workaround it through discounts, etc). Instead we want to continue to both rapidly reduce prices and increase capabilities of models on the API. This week we introduced GPT-6 Sol and GPT-6 Luna at 50% of their previous price. Over time, we see prices go low enough that it makes sense for most to buy usage as needed without there being a significant gap between what you get in a subscription and what you get in the API for a dollar spent. (d) Tomorrow, we are adding more things to the subscription that won't draw on the usage, I won't reveal what that is yet. I wanted to be transparent before all the big announcements tomorrow. Lots of new exciting things are coming to the subscriptions that will make it super compelling, but I wanted to make sure to share this change ahead of time so you can all understand it before we shower you with good news. Codexingly, Tibo

@thsottiaux

ok everyone, i took one for the team here's the data we all wanted to see - real token value of each LLM subscription, empirically measured through usage on my real subscriptions - supergrok heavy has now become the highest value at $12k worth of tokens (40x ROI) - the $200 plan from openai and anthropic roughly give the same amount of token value, $7k give or take - cursor ultra's ROI is the lowest among mainstream subscriptions, roughly half of OAI or Ant. for individual consumers i'm afraid this no longer makes sense to purchase this was done in a clean environment. i ran each provider across 5 whole % points of my quota through repeated eval tasks in open source repos, and measured the total token value from all the agent sessions based on API pricing caveat 1 - this only measures their coding agent quota (which is the majority of the offered value), and does not include things like chat bot or grok bot caveat 2 - none of the providers commit to never changing this, so this is a snapshot of what the offering looks like today. i cannot guarantee it won't change again caveat 3 - the token value assumes you exhaust your subscription completely, which may not be realistic in real world usage

@kunchenguid

The free tiers I'm actually using right now: • Clerk — 50k users • Supabase — 50k MAU • PostHog — 1M events • Cloudflare Workers — 100k req/day • Resend — 3k emails (but really 100/day) • Sentry — 5k errors • RevenueCat — free until $2.5k MRR What are yours?

@pfernan95dev

You can now go viral on 𝕏 without the stress of runaway CDN bills. Crucially, without sacrificing our S-tier network performance. AI is making devs and startups take off crazy fast. Flat Rate CDN brings you both scale and peace of mind.

@rauchg

The Dell outlet can be a great place to pick up an XPS if you're okay with a refurbished unit and want to save some money with the industry-wide price increases. https://outlet.us.dell.com/GDOOnline/Online/InventorySearch?c=us&l=en&pFilter=eyJQcm9kdWN0QnJhbmQiOlsiMTAwNzAiXSwiRmFtaWx5TmFtZSI6WyIyOTE0OSJdLCJQcm9jZXNzb3IiOlsiNTc5MDA5Il19

@SpencerGBull

Goodbye per-seat pricing. Per-user pricing has always rubbed me the wrong way. And in this agentic age, it feels downright antique. For the vast majority of the time Basecamp has been on offer, we never charged per-user. A few years ago we experimented with one pay-per-user plan, and that experiment just came to an end. And it couldn’t come at a better time. With the Basecamp CLI (and soon MCP, too), you can bring your agents to Basecamp as users too. Charging you for individual agents feels just as wrong as charging you for individual people. So today we have brand new pricing plans with NO PER-USER FEES. Studio (starting at just $59/month) and up includes UNLIMITED USERS + AGENTS. Lower plans don’t charge per-user either, but have a reasonable cap on the number of people you can invite. The primary cap is now on projects, which is also how our pricing was set for nearly 20 years. These new plans don’t affect current customers, so if you like what you’re on you can stick with it for now. We may offer a transition option down the road, but these new plans apply to brand new customers moving forward. The doors are open. Invite your team, your contractors, your collaborators, your clients, and your agents. Everyone’s included. Just you, a few, a dozen or two, or even hundreds more, invite them to your Basecamp and get everyone involved! Let's go!

@jasonfried

Bootstrapping is hard, especially now. An honest update on Hatchbox pricing.

@excid3

How is everyone pricing in AI model usage in their app? Seems there’s a few ways: - pass through the cost transparently to the end user (they use $30 of inference they get $30 added to their bill) - abstract the cost away into some flat monthly price and risk going bankrupt - have some sensible defaults and bill extra for more usage All approaches have pros and cons

@yongfook

I changed my strategy for this era and I think it's starting to work: - no more focus on sub - no underselling or going after the mass. niche. - go after your audience. if it's people from sf, you can def charge 10x more for quality. - specializing, no slop rule - lifetime option - open-source - give stuff for free, sell specialized stuff - chase after feedback, let ai sort things.

@MengTo

this LG Ultrafine 5k display has been at its all-time low price for a while, any reason not to pull the trigger on it?

@astuyve

Sometimes I feel like I'm overcomplicating my life trying to build a SaaS company when you can just build a directory site and make like $25,000 in one day lol

@yongfook

We bought 19 PB of flash storage for our AWS S3 exit in 2025 for about $1.5m. The list price for this setup today would be $19 MILLION 🤑. Don't know if I've ever timed a trade this well in my life. https://world.hey.com/dhh/it-s-five-grand-a-day-to-miss-our-s3-exit-b8293563

@dhh

what an incredible move from Tally 🤯 (not affliated) they made their form builder (almost) 100% free i find it incredible smart because: - they become the obvious choice for ChatGPT to recommend - serious big buyers will still buy - occasional buyers won't but they was churning anyway i am impressed 👏

@tibo_maker

My SaaS portfolio will become fully self-hostable. And like also fully open-source too. It's something we're working on. And I've been thinking about what I would actually charge for if I open-sourced my SaaS products. I don't think I would feature gate them. So my options are basically narrowed down to: - Hosting I'm all for self-hosting, and I'd absolutely encourage users to self-host my products. But some people will still want the convenience of a one-click setup with managed backups, monitoring and updates. Offering hosting to those users is probably the easiest revenue model. Ghost has built a great business around exactly this. - Enterprise Maybe we get bigger customers. They'll need SSO, permissions, audit logs and compliance. That's basically the n8n enterprise model. - Support If a company depends on the software, having an SLA and somebody to call when stuff breaks is worth real money. Red Hat has done this for decades. - Integrations WordPress is the obvious example here. Selling integrations/plugins. Right now, all my products are heavily gated. Closed-sourced, paywall gated, and little accessible. But honestly, I'd happily give away the code if it meant more people adopted the product. Software is getting cheaper to build and easier to copy anyway. Quick overview 👇

@SimonHoiberg

SaaS is dead? SaaS has always been dead. If... Your product doesn't fit. Your product is too expensive. Your messaging is a maze. You built a feature and called it a company. You raised a round instead of a customer base. Your costs are too high, your company too big. You sound like everyone else. You made buying hard. SaaS ain't dead unless it was already dead.

@jasonfried

as someone who spends more than $300,000 / month in AI models, I can tell you: you're being scammed Seedance 2.5 costs about $0.10 per second of video, bare minimum. that's the price WE pay. before upscaling, storage, retries, and all the generations you throw away. one 30-second video = ~$3 in pure model cost a normal creator iterates 3-10 times to get one so one good video = $15-30 now do "unlimited" at $59/month. two good videos and they're losing money. the math never works. so when you see "unlimited", it's always one of these: 1. a silent throttle (your 5-min renders become 60-min renders) 2. a quiet rename ("unlimited" becomes "enhanced fast" after you paid) 3. a moving start date (you were promised 7 days, you actually get 1) and it's likely all 3. I'd love to sell unlimited too. it would print signups. but I pay the model providers every month, and I'd rather show you a real price than rename your plan after checkout. if the math can't work, you're not looking at a price, you're looking at a scam

@tibo_maker

http://zoneless.com cost $1.2k, which I'm pretty happy with. ❤️.gg is still my favourite domain investment though!

@tinyprojectsdev

current monthly expenses for http://knockoff.co (most of which *scale up linearly* as more people use it)

@Shpigford

from $600/mo to $3000/mo here are 5 tactics that worked

@DanKulkov

few weeks ago, Fable 5 was so advanced it needed the gov and had to be taken offline. today, we have access to arguably better models for $20/month. took what? six weeks?

@shadcn

You could spend $235 for the OpenAI programmable keyboard (with knob), or you could spend $18 on Amazon for this programmable keyboard (with knob)

@BenjaminDEKR

emailing (by hand) every user that cancelled over the last 30 days and badgering them till I get a real answer if you exclude failed payments, acquisitions and shutdowns the results are mostly price any thoughts on how we could improve our pricing?

@frantzfries

Finally, the web has native monetization. Ads were not the only way.

@brian_armstrong

"Just use Vercel." "Just use Supabase." "Just use Clerk." Cool. Now your auth, database, and deployment are owned by 3 different companies who can change pricing whenever they want. And the rest of your product is wrapping OpenAI. At some point you have to ask yourself: what do I actually own here?

@SimonHoiberg

Introducing Voice Agent Builder: a no-code platform to create human-like voice agents with Grok Voice. Available today at $0.05 / min. http://x.ai/voice

@SpaceXAI

Kimi K2.7 Code vs Claude Fable 5: Landing pages that cost 94% less

@nutlope

less than 2 months after launching @postbridge_ i got an offer to buy it for $3,000 then 10 months after launching i got an offer to buy it for $1,000,000 i decided not to accept either offer and for awhile there when growth stalled i thought maybe i made a mistake but in the last few months MRR doubled and we're now at nearly $40K MRR.

@jackfriks

Finally, so sick! We all wanted to make this but the problem was Google owned the 3d data and charged a lot for it You made a web game using Google's 3d tiles and quickly your bill would be $10,000 Microsoft Flight Simulator runs on Microsoft's Bing Maps 3d data so that's why they can do it Now I hope Google gets more serious about this and adds real plane models and multiplayer with combat (Microsoft's Flight Simulator never allows that) which would be super fun

@levelsio

We heard you wanted to use Codex rate limit resets on your own time. Starting today, we’re rolling out the ability to save rate limit resets to use later. We’re starting Go, Plus, Pro, and Business users with one free reset:

@OpenAI

Fable is a good model. As with all new models, it is simultaneously excellent and entirely unremarkable (relative to other models). It is slow and expensive, and the "loops are all you need" discourse they are pushing is obvious in the context of someone using Fable-class models What I've found so far is that for broad scope design (code architecture) tasks, Fable is unremarkable. Or, not better enough to justify its cost and speed. But in highly targeted goal-oriented loops, it is another beast entirely. It is very slow but produces very good results. I let it churn on optimizing a SwiftUI-layout resolver in Go I wrote and it was able to bring it down to an order of magnitude I could not reach myself (micro => nanosecond scale). But it took 2 hours and $40 to do it and I had to claw back some changes it overfit to Apple Silicon. Still, very worth it. In comparison, for "implement this feature/change" iterative work, I ran head-to-head Fable vs GPT5.5 vs. GLM-5.1. They all produced equally acceptable final results, but GPT5/GLM did it in a couple minutes and Fable was churning away for 40 minutes. And GLM cost me less than a dollar, GPT5.5 ~$1.50, and Fable cost $9. You can see that in this context, interactively working with an agent is nonsense. Its too slow. You need to write loops to keep the agent working and you probably want to highly parallelize the work being done. As with all things, I think a balance makes sense... My sense is that I'd reserve Fable for targeted, surgical analysis and work. Not for daily driving everyday tasks. I'm going to keep spending a shitload of money (relatively) and maining Fable for the rest of the week to continue to judge, will report if anything changes. I'll continue to head-to-head as well.

@mitchellh

Recently, we purchased one of each Anthropic/OpenAI subscription plan and randomly ran long horizon coding tasks until we exhausted the weekly limit. It's widely believed that a $200/month plan maxes out at ~$2000/month worth of tokens (assuming API pricing). However, we found that the subscriptions are actually far more generous. (2/4)

@SemiAnalysis_

📣We're updating the price of our Google AI Plus plan to $4.99/mo💰or local equivalent (down from $7.99), and doubling the included storage, from 200GB to 400GB ☁️. Now you can unlock tools to boost your productivity and creativity - and get more space to store your photos, videos and projects - for less.

@vikaskansalHQ

Realising Apple went public at under $2 billion and 15 times revenue in 1980. SpaceX wants you to buy at $2 trillion and 100 times revenue in 2026. That is not getting in early. That is being the exit for venture capitalists who have held this equity for years at a fraction of what you are being asked to pay. Almost none of the retail investors buying this IPO will read the 300 pages before the book closes on June 11. That is your entire competitive advantage right there.

@DamiDefi

DeepSeek's 10 trillion USD grand strategy

@bookwormengr

customers are increasingly asking us for certainty on capacity. as models get better, we expect that the world will be capacity-constrained for some time. we are offering discounted tokens for 1-3 year commits. (it also helps us plan, so hopefully a big win-win.)

@sama

You get 20 TB of free bandwidth for $4.99/mo at @Hetzner_Online Way way way way more than enough for most websites! I'm not sponsored by them, I don't even get discounts or anything, just a great deal!

@levelsio

compare tokens to requests. what does that tell you?

@badlogicgames

OpenAI Whisper API: $0.006/min → $0.36/hr ElevenLabs Speech-to-Text: $0.40/hr Deepgram: $0.0043/min → $0.26/hr AssemblyAI: $0.37/hr VibeVoice ASR: $0/hr 50+ languages. Full diarization. One pass. Microsoft just ended an industry.

@sairahul1